Who Wants To Talk About Interest Rates?

Mortgage

10 minute read

May 26, 2022

Let’s start with a bang, shall we?

The recent drop in Toronto home prices is solely due to the increase in interest rates.

Yay or nay?

Well, I suppose before we confirm or deny, we must first address this “drop in Toronto home prices,” since many home-sellers are in denial.

“Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt,” a smart woman once said.

I literally just got off the phone with a client, to whom I said, “I’m having very honest, direct conversations with people these days, and I’m simply giving them the lay of the land, and letting them decide what they want to do.  I would say that 7/10 of them are hearing me and in agreement…”

She laughed.

She understood.

In March, I told her that she might achieve $825-$850K for her condo, but in June, that’s likely going to be closer to $800,000.

She’s fine with that.  I mean, “fine” with the state of the market and what she can expect to sell her condo for, but nobody is really “fine” with selling for less than they would have, could have, should have.

Now, I’m sure you want to hear about on of the 3/10, just for fun, right?

A gentleman called me last week and said that he had been “contemplating” selling his Mississauga home for some time now, and when I pressed him on that timing, he said, “Two years.”  It’s very rare to hear this, of course.  Most people have an impetus for selling, either they bought another property, or they’re relocating for work.  But I would guess this gentleman owns multiple properties and has the luxury of choice.

He cited the same of an almost identical property down the street, which happened to be on the roundabout that I would argue is much more sought-after.  This property sold for $2,150,000 in the third week of February.

I knew what I felt the property would fetch in June, which was likely when we would list, given the time it takes to prepare, so I asked him, “What would you reasonably expect to get for your home?”

Any guesses among you, the readers?

Well, since I referred to him as one of the 3/10, you know he’s going to be out to lunch.

But how out to lunch?

He said, “I’d like to get at least what the chap at the end of the block got earlier this year.”

At least.

Huh?  How does that make any sense?

“His property wasn’t as upgraded as mine,” he told me, which I couldn’t really confirm without seeing it in person, but given that the other property was on the circle at the end of the dead-end street, and was superior, this guy would need to have solid-gold kitchen counters to offset that premium and account for the market.

I told him that, on paper, the average home price in Peel Region had declined by 5.7% from February to April, and that the May numbers will show a further decline.

“Not from where I’m standing,” was his response.

I told him that he should expect to get $2,000,000 for his house, but I added that in September, his house would have been worth $1,750,000, so he was doing pretty well!

Of course, I looked up the history of the home and saw that he purchased it in 2009 for $752,000, and offered, “You know, you’re doing pretty well here, all things considered.”

Then he laid down a challenge.

“You know, I found you online.  Looks like you’ve got a pretty good following and a good foothold in this industry.  You clearly know your stuff.  But if you can’t get me the price I need, then maybe I’m calling the wrong person.”

Desperate times call for desperate measures, right?  Don’t blame the game, blame the player?

Except, this gent wasn’t desperate.  He was simply overvaluing his house.  That “comp” at the end of the street made his house worth the same, on a good day, if he really had “upgrades,” and if the market has trailed off, then he’s looking around $2 Million for his house.  What’s wrong with that?

Imagine a scenario where the neighbour to your left sold for $1,000,000 in January and the neighbour to your right sold for $1,250,000 in March.  Now, you’re told that you can sell for $1,150,000.  That’s more than your neighbour to the left but less than your neighbour to the right.  Is there anything wrong with this?

I think we’ve become so desensitized to the idea of real estate as a “market” that we forget that markets can ebb and flow.

That is what’s happening in the market right now, at least to some folks.

And ALL of these folks, no matter what, seem to be blaming interest rate hikes.

One person told me this week, “It’s like Justin Trudeau wants me to get less money for my home!”

Hey, listen, I’m hardly Trudeau’s biggest fan, and I’d love to pile on here, but Justin Trudeau couldn’t personally care less about what you sell your home for, nor were monetary policy decisions made based on the real estate market.

That’s where opinions will differ, of course.

You want my two cents?

Inflation is rampant across the country.  It’s actually rampant worldwide.

The International Monetary Fund expects inflation in developed nations to be at 5.7% in 2022, and 8.7% in developing countries.

Canada’s rate of inflation for 2021 was 3.4%.

But lately, those numbers have skyrocketed.

5.1% in January.

5.7% in February.

6.7% in March.

6.8% in April.

This simply cannot continue.

We have a provincial election coming up, and amazingly, inflation has become a talking point!

Liberal leader, Stephen Del Duca, said the following:

As the guy who goes grocery shopping for my family every single Saturday I think about the price of food, and how it’s gone up. It’s skyrocketed under Doug Ford.”

This is amazing to me, since inflation worldwide is rampant.

We’ve got a war in Russia/Ukraine, the price of gas has become a political football, supply-chain issues are the worst they’ve ever been, and food prices in Canada are up 7.7% in the past year.  So to blame Doug Ford for this is just silly.

But all politics is silly.

Inflation is real in this country, and that 3.4% recorded in 2021 was downright scary!  That was the highest annual rate of inflation in Canada since 1991 when inflation sat at 5.63%.

So when we saw figures of 5.1%, 5.7%, 6.7%, and 6.8% to start 2022, it was likely determined, at the federal level, that this simply cannot continue.

How do you get inflation under control – in theory, at least?

Raise interest rates!

March 2nd, 2022: increase of 25 basis points.

April 13th, 2022: increase of 50 basis points.

Widely expected, June 1st, 2022: increase of 50 basis points.

And possibly on the table for July 13th, 2022: another increase of 50 basis points.

For those playing along at home, that would take us from an overnight lending rate of 0.25% to start 2022 up to 2.00% by the summer or fall.

There are two ways of looking at this:

1) Isn’t 2.00% really, really close to zero?  Why is this a problem?  Why are people scared of this?  This is cheap money!

2) An increase from 0.25% to 2.00% represents an eight-fold increase in the rate.  It could take five-year rates from sub-2% to upwards of 6%.

Now, consider that the overnight lending rate only has a direct impact on the variable rate mortgage, whereas the fixed-rates are affected by the bond market.  But an increasing interest-rate environment is going to lead to higher fixed-rate mortgages over time.  There’s simply no avoiding it.

Every home-seller out there right now is cursing the government for increasing interest rates.  They all seem to think this is why they’re getting less money for their house or condo than they could have sold for in February or March.

While there might be some truth to that, I also think we could spend a significant amount time talking about buyer fatigue, front-loaded real estate calendars, and how unsustainable month-over-month price appreciation always leads to a drop in activity and pricing.

In any event, the interest rate debate is not going away.

This article appeared in the Financial Post on Tuesday:

“Stop Hiking Interest Rates! Canadians Want Bank Of Canada To Press Pause Amid Deep Financial Worries”

From the article:

A large number of Canadians want the Bank of Canada to press pause on additional interest rate increases as they fret about their finances, a new poll suggests.

Close to half of Canadians want the central bank to keep interest rates at one per cent and monitor how it’s affecting inflation before making any more moves, according to a survey conducted by the Angus Reid Institute. Only 27 per cent said the bank should hike more aggressively to dampen inflation, and another 13 per cent said rates should go lower to protect the housing and stock markets from spiralling.

It’s not unusual to see Canadians disagreeing with the government, right?

But in this case, do they actually know what’s best for them?

Inflation is the invisible devil.  It slowly, quietly eats away at us, our savings, our lifestyles, and our livlihood, but it’s not like a new tax where the government says, “Give us $5,000 please.”  Nobody notices inflation.  Unless, say, you went out to The Keg for the first time in two years and suddenly your New York peppercorn is $50, and you’re pretty sure that it used to be $38…

Also from the article:

As interest rates rise, Canadians are also starting to worry about the impact on their mortgage and debt payments. Almost one in five said they are extremely worried about the debt they’re carrying. In turn, people are trying to stop spending so much, and said they’re eating out less, cancelling streaming services, driving less and even changing their diets to save on grocery bills. That could point to headwinds ahead for the economy.

Ah hello, my old friend: financial responsibility!

Imagine people feeling the financial pinch and deciding to cut back on expenses?  Bravo!

But as the article notes: this isn’t good for the economy.

People looking to save money and eat out at restaurants less will hurt those restaurants, which hurts the owners, employees, and associated vendors.

It’s a vicious circle, isn’t it?

To stop inflation, we have to increase interest rates.  But increasing interest rates creates financial pressure, and that will lead people to spend less.  People spending less will hurt the economy, and then we’re all worse off.

Here’s an interesting point:

But, opinions over what the Bank of Canada should do with rates appears to be divided along political lines. Past Conservative voters are more likely to want interest rates to come down, the survey said. Seventeen per cent of Conservative party voters think interest rates should drop, compared to eight per cent of Liberal voters and nine per cent of NDP voters, a “significant” divide, Kurl said.

Debate that, if you so choose.

Meanwhile, here in the cozy cofines of the Toronto housing market, buyers and sellers alike are pointing to higher interest rates as the cause of pain.

We’ve already established why sellers don’t like the higher rates.  They blame rates for the drop in market activity and associated drop in prices.

But buyers?  Shouldn’t they be championing the rise in rates, which helps calm the market?

Sure, in theory.  But in practice, it hurts their affordability.

Let’s say, for argument’s sake that John & Jane had a pre-approval for a 5-year, fixed rate mortgage of 3.79% in February.

Purchasing a $1,500,000 house with a 20% down payment would result in a monthly mortgage payment, on a 30-year amortization, of $5,564.48

But John and Jane didn’t buy inFebruary, or March, or even April.  It wasn’t for lack of trying, however!  They made offers and simply kept losing!  So here they are, looking forward to June, and their mortgage rate-hold has expired!  They’re now staring at a five-year rate of 4.49%.

That $1,500,000 purchase, with 20% down, on a 30-year amortization, is going to push the payment to $6,043.61 per month on the 4.49% rate.

Alright, well what if that $1,500,000 house could now be had for $1,450,000.

At the 4.49% rate, the payment is $5,842.15.

So while they’re paying a higher rate, if the house costs slightly less, then they’re not that far behind.

Interest rate “entitlement,” as I call it, runs the same as “peak sale entitlement.”  Just as the owner of the Mississauga house refuses to sell in June unless he gets a February price, many buyers out there feel jaded, and use words like “unfair” to describe an increase in interest rates.

But rates have been much higher in the past, just as they have been much lower!

Do you want feel really sick?

Imagine you’re that lucky-duck who got the 1.49%, five-year rate in 2021.  That $1.5M house with 20% down, at 1.49% brings your payment down to $4,133.04.

Interest rates fluctuate, just like the market.

Understanding markets, whether it’s for real estate, interest rates, equities, currencies, or goddam crypto, is paramount in this 2022 market.

I continue to be shocked at the number of people who feel that it’s “unfair” that interest rates have gone up.  If you can buy a house today and take a 2.69% variable rate, you need not look back at the 1.49% variable rates of yesteryear.  And if you do take that variable rate, then understand what happens when the Bank of Canada increases the overnight lending rate.

I would estimate that a majority of individuals do not know what happens to their variable rate mortgage when the BOC increases the interest rate.

Let’s say you bought a $1,000,000 condo with 20% down on a 2.79% variable rate.  Your monthly payment is $3,276.07.

When the variable rate increases to 3.29%, what happens?

Most people think that their payment rises, in this case, to $3,489.42.

That is incorrect.

What happens is that, inside that $3,276.07 payment that you signed up for, the proportion of principal and interest changes.

At 2.79%, that $3,276.07 payment is about $1,445/month in principal and $1,831/month in interest, averaged through Year-1.

At 3.29%, that $3,276.07 payment sees the principal amount drop to $1,331/month and the interest amount increase to $2,159/month.

I fear that most people don’t know this, although to be fair, maybe they shouldn’t?

But I also fear people’s fears.  I worry that their fears are irrational, unsubstantiated, or in some cases, illogical.

I don’t want to turn this into an advertisment for “Why to hire a mortgage broker,” but mortgage brokers explain all this, whereas the teller over-the-counter at CIBC will not.  At least, not in my experience, and not, in my opinion, anywhere remotely close to as intelligently and eloquently as a top mortage broker.

As we move forward into an increasing-rate environment, it’s crucial that buyers take an active role in learning everything they can about interest rates, and don’t simply make assumptions, which is what so many people have done in “easier” markets.

Another thing to be on the lookout for: a change to the mortgage stress test.

In an enviroment of ultra-low interest rates, it made sense for the Office of The Superintendent of Financial Institutions (OSFI) to ensure that buyers can afford to pay their mortgage if-and-when rates rise.  Ergo, qualifying borrowers at 4.79% when their mortgage rate would be 2.79%, to make sure they could make those payments, made sense!

But does the same thing hold today?

Here’s an article from last week’s Globe & Mail:

“Mortgage Stress Test Rules May Change As Interest Rates Climb And Housing Markets Cool”

From the article:

Since OSFI toughened the mortgage stress test last June, the country’s housing market and borrowing conditions have changed significantly. The regulator must grapple with whether its rules are still effective in the current environment.

OSFI rules apply to borrowers who do not require mortgage insurance, which occurs when borrowers make a down payment of at least 20 per cent of the property’s purchase price. The regulator requires borrowers to prove they can make their mortgage payments at an interest rate of 5.25 per cent, or 200 basis points above their mortgage contract, whichever is higher.

But now, fixed-mortgage rates are quickly rising as the Bank of Canada embarks on an aggressive round of interest-rate hikes, and could soon top OSFI’s minimum qualifying rate of 5.25 per cent.

Today, the average five-year fixed-rate mortgage has an interest rate of 4.19 per cent, according to mortgage brokers. That is up from January’s average of about 2.69 per cent. That means that a borrower must now prove they can make their mortgage payments with an interest rate of 6.19 per cent if they want a fixed-rate mortgage, which is already above the 5.25-per-cent stress-test floor. And the stress test will become even harder as mortgage rates continue to climb.

I believe the critics will be split on this one.

I mean, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, right?

On the other hand, why plan for a rainy day that’s never going to come?

Some of you might think that, based on a current 4.49%, five-year, fixed-rate mortgage, perhaps the days of 6.49% mortgages are on the horizon, but to that, I say slow your roll.

We’ve already seen the first 50 basis point hike in over two decades, and there’s not one, but two more rumoured for this year.

Revisiting the stress test makes perfect sense, and dare I say that we still have the safest banking system on the planet.

But that doesn’t mean we’ve heard the end of buyers and sellers both lamenting higher interest rates.

This should be an interesting summer!

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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23 Comments

  1. PM

    at 6:24 am

    No central banker can outright say this, but its not higher interest rates that bring down inflation, but lower demand caused by more unemployment. If you listen to Jerome Powell closely and read between the lines you can hear that they basically need to create a bit of unemployment to lower wage growth and slow things down from the demand side. Then inflation will be back under control.

    Or they can take the easy way out since job losses are bad for politicians and cave early by stopping their hikes in the fall. But you risk inflation expectations getting unanchored from 2% worse than it has, and that gets harder to break and you end up with a 1979-1982 scenario. Bit of pain now, or a lot more pain later. I think they’re doing the right thing.

    Something we’re seeing in the stock market is so many companies trading back to their pre-covid levels. Its as if central banks are unwinding all the excesses built up during covid from stimulus measures. Not saying housing will get back to pre covid (would be a big drop from these levels) but a drop of 10% of the peak of feb/march is really nothing. People would still be looking at huge 4 year gains if that were to materialize feb 2019-feb 2023

    1. Kyle

      at 10:18 am

      This is 100% bang on!

      It’s demand destruction that tames inflation, not interest rates. And housing is far more resilient to shocks than most goods (e.g. Credit crunch – 2009, FHB – 2017, Pandemic – 2020). When it comes to housing, shocks (short of a deep recession) translate into demand deferral, instead of demand destruction. And countering that is after an initial adjustment, supply tends to clamp down and limit how far prices drop, so when the deferred demand picks by up, it does so in a supply constrained market.

      Historically, homes are the last thing that people give up in times of tightening. You’ll see much more cutting back on dining out, vacations, new cars, and fancy clothes, before you see people selling their homes en masse. IMO, the only way we’ll see a housing crash is if we get a deep recession with lots of job loss.

      1. Mike Stevenson

        at 4:32 pm

        Demand destruction, exactly. Not necessarily unemployment as PM says. In a time of labour and product shortage, we might just be bringing things back to balance in the employment market.

    2. Condodweller

      at 4:33 pm

      @PM Isn’t that just semantics though? Higher rates trigger a recession, recession comes with high unemployment which in turn causes less demand. Generally speaking. The question for RE is whether the demographic who is buying homes and taking on large mortgages will also be affected by higher unemployment?

      1. Mike Stevenson

        at 7:18 pm

        With inflated asset markets, the demand destruction could be caused by the reverse wealth effect when the bubbles burst. People who felt very wealthy when Bitcoin was 67K and Tesla stock 1200 are spending more carefully today.

    3. ChAtte

      at 6:17 am

      There’s also the supply side of the equation which interest rates cannot fix, at the macro level we are producing less goods than we were pre COVID/pre Ukraine war. Via clogged supply chain issues from
      China and less raw materials with trade sanctions on Russia .

      Raising interest rates does reduce the demand side but we still have issues on the supply side. I fear inflation will be a longer term problem until the world sorts itself out.

  2. hoob

    at 8:28 am

    Two random comments. First, not all variable rate mortgages have fixed payments. Some lenders have payments that have fixed principal and the interest portion does vary when rates change. So borrowers should look at their terms, not just “know or not know.”

    Second, and I’ve seen enough chuckleforks agitated about this, is some people seem to think that the inflation rate that is _updated_ monthly, is actually a MONTHLY inflation rate (ie “Turdeau made prices increase another 6.8% last month !!”).

    Anyway, 20 years ago my first mortgage was 5.85%. That’s nothing by comparison to the early 80s, but people really seem to have a short memory.

  3. Derek

    at 9:59 am

    “Every home-seller out there right now is cursing the government for increasing interest rates. They all seem to think this is why they’re getting less money for their house or condo than they could have sold for in February or March.

    While there might be some truth to that, I also think we could spend a significant amount time talking about buyer fatigue, front-loaded real estate calendars, and how unsustainable month-over-month price appreciation always leads to a drop in activity and pricing.”

    Nah, must be Sales Mix? Or, major influx of supply came online after March?

  4. Jennifer

    at 12:24 pm

    People are so greedy and delusional. That person is set to make oodles on his property, tax free assuming it is his PR. Sell it at what you sell it for, be happy you did not sell in the 2 years you were thinking about it, and laugh all the way to the bank. Honestly some people.

  5. M

    at 12:25 pm

    A few points, when somebody buys do they look more at the total price or the monthly mortgage payment? While interest rate increases will lower a buyers max borrowing capacity, I think the bigger effect is on buyers psychology, and this is amplified by media stories (who also pumped market with FOMO for years). Lastly, while we are certainly down, and quite a bit it looks like for some segments of some markets, it’s really only wiped out a few months of gains from q4 21/q1 22.. it really just shows how crazy things got end of last year and early this year. Will be interesting to see where things go from here.. nothing would surprise me.

  6. Mike Stevenson

    at 4:33 pm

    This all comes as quite a shock because I was told the only issue in the housing market was scarcity as far as the eye can see.

    1. Steve

      at 11:34 am

      I’m not sure dropping back to what, early 2022 prices (?), indicates that lack of supply isn’t still a big factor and it’s time to claim everyone calling that out was wrong. Maybe if there is a real run on the market we will get back to genuine early 2021 prices when housing was easily affordable!

      1. Mike Stevenson

        at 2:23 am

        Nobody is claiming everyone calling that out was wrong. It’s just a very interesting and dramatic shift in tone from the conversation here in January. Back then it was all about some biblical number of people coming to live here and nowhere to accommodate them. Now people have begun to recognize (cue dramatic music)….offsetting factors.

        Will they ultimately be proven wrong? Yes I think so. Wait until the investors start liquidating to cover losses in other asset classes.

    2. Appraiser

      at 2:57 pm

      House prices still in the insane category and rents going through the roof again. But somehow the housing crisis has been resolved. See how easy that was?

  7. Condodweller

    at 4:51 pm

    So the dynamic of interest rates and housing prices is the higher the rate the lower the price due to the lower amount one is able to qualify for. Unless of course, people find yet again a new way to finance increasing prices.

    In prior comments, I have eluded to other ways of lowering house values than decreasing prices. David may have to redo some of his spreadsheets by subtracting inflation from house price increases to get an accurate picture. Inflation is easy to ignore when it has been at historic lows for this long. It won’t be long before we hear about inflation being the highest in 40+ years.

  8. Alexander

    at 6:52 am

    I am waiting for the moment when the happy owners who signed for over-priced pre-constructed houses are going to be hit with new 4.5 or 5.5% mortgage in 1 year time and asked to squeeze extra 20% downpayment because the housing market went down like in 2017. That is going to be a pain and we certainly get a nice media coverage with people companing how unfair it is.

    1. David Fleming

      at 4:52 pm

      @ Alexander

      People who complain that it’s “unfair” are referring to, what, exactly? That the BOC increased interest rates?

      People. Honestly…

  9. Appraiser

    at 8:23 am

    You know that you live in an alternate real estate universe when house prices hovering between 20-30% above what they were just one year ago, is considered a correction.

    1. J G

      at 11:26 am

      “20-30% above what they were just one year ago”

      exaggerating again?

      1. Appraiser

        at 7:10 am

        For those who understand no explanation is necessary.
        For those who do not, no explanation will suffice

  10. Joel

    at 9:27 am

    Record inflation and record profits. Loblaws saw record profits this year as I am sure they are marking everything up by a margin, while fixed costs stay the same.

    The were paying $1a lb for chicken and selling at $2 lb. Now. they buy for $1.50 a lb and sell for $3. They are happy to make the extra $0.50 a lb as profit.

    We see plenty of complaining about realtors getting a commission percentage and the same theory applies. Everyone is happier when they are getting percentage on that higher price.

  11. Mat

    at 10:22 am

    I think you need to check your math on this statement:

    “At 2.79%, that $3,276.07 payment is about $1,445/month in principal and $1,831/month in interest, averaged through Year-1.

    At 3.29%, that $3,276.07 payment sees the principal amount drop to $1,331/month and the interest amount increase to $2,159/month.”

    1331+2159 does not equal 3276…I think you used the 3489 value to do the breakdown. If the new interest amount is actually 2159, then the principal amount needs to drop further than 1331.

    1. David Fleming

      at 4:51 pm

      @ Mat

      You are correct.

      At 3.29%, that $3,276.07 payment would see interest increase to $2,159, and principal drop to approximately $1,117 as a result.

      Thanks!

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