Does A Lateral Move Ever Make Sense?

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November 2, 2020

A wise man once told me, “Not everything has to make perfect economic sense.”

And even if you work in finance, or run your own business, or are just very good with your own pocket-book, the saying holds true.

The government sends you a tax refund and you keep the cheque in your car for two weeks before depositing the cheque in the bank.  That’s a huge loss, right?  A pension fund manager would tell you that these fourteen calendar days of interest represent money that you can never get back!  Except that in this case, the interest could be pennies.  Literally.  So, not everything has to make perfect economic sense.

In the world of real estate, this is often true where you have a product with no fixed value and that which can be valued differently by different people.

A person might pay more money to live in a certain school district, or on a street near a friend.  Neither of those make “perfect economic sense,” but rather represent a price worth paying for that buyer.

You can’t put a price on things like “peace of mind,” which fly in the face of economic sense.

And when it comes to making lateral moves in the real estate market, most of them don’t seem worthwhile to onlookers, but some, if not many do, to that individual buyer.

What is a lateral move, for those of you who aren’t quite caught up?  As a synonym for the word “lateral” might suggest, it’s essentially a sideways move.  In real estate, it could refer to housing style, ie. selling your detached, 3-bedroom house to move to a different detached, 3-bedroom house.  But as we’ll discuss later on pertaining to this example, there are so many ways in which the one house and/or situation could be different from the second one.   So in the context of real estate, a “lateral move” primarily relates to price.

My sister used to live on Merton Street, not too far from our old office.  She was quite comfortable in the unit, in the area, and with the commute to work and to see friends and family, but then one day she came to me and said, “I want to move.”

It came out of nowhere.  And more to the point, she sent me a couple of listings for where she wanted to move to, and the price was barely more than what her place was worth!

This, in my mind, would be a lateral move.

Her condo was worth about $325,000 at the time, and the condo she was looking at was about $350,000.

While those prices aren’t identical, they’re in the same ballpark.

Perhaps here is where we can try to define “lateral move” from a price perspective?

If selling for $325,000 and buying for $350,000 is making a lateral move, then what isn’t?  What if the purchase was for $375,000?  $390,000?  $400,000?

Maybe part of the issue here is that we don’t see condo prices like this anymore, so talking about $325,000 and $350,000 doesn’t resonate.

So then let’s just double the prices here to get with the times.  Let’s say that you’re selling for $650,000 and buying for $700,000.  Is that a lateral move?

I would say that it is.

So what’s the harm in making a lateral move, you might ask?  Why am I barking up this tree in the first place?

Well for starters, there’s the transaction costs involved.  And while this might turn into a forum for “I hate real estate agents,” let’s point out the costs.

On your purchase, you pay land transfer tax.  There’s a sliding scale, and the City of Toronto has a municipal LTT whereas Mississauga, Markham, et al do not, but when you move, you’re going to pay the government for doing so.

On your sale, you’re going to pay real estate fees.  This can run as much as 6%, as little as 1%, or whatever floats your boat.  But let’s assume you pay 5%.

You have legal fees to close both transactions, you’ll pay a mover, and I’m sure you’ll spend a little money on furniture, maybe renovate a little, etc.

All told, some would argue it only “makes sense” to move if you’re buying up, or buying down.  Why bother moving from a $500,000 property to a different $500,000 property if you’re spending $50,000 to do so?

When I asked my sister, “Why in the world do you want to move out there?” she told me something that I didn’t believe.  She told me – wait for it – that there were plans to build a subway along Eglinton Avenue and that the construction and resulting mayhem could last for years.

“A subway along Eglinton?” I mused.  “That’s never going to happen.”

This was a long time ago, keep in mind.

My sister is a simple person with whom I have at least one thing in common: we both value time.  Her commute from her Merton Street condo to work every morning was quite manageable, and it was something she really, really valued.  Once Eglinton Avenue was torn up and the construction on the LRT would begin, this would triple her commute, and complicate her life in an area where she valued simplicity.  She wasn’t really attached to the Merton Street condo in any way, and figured that now was the time (now being 2009, I believe…) to get out ahead of the disturbance from the LRT.

So she bought a condo for $350,000 and sold hers for $325,000.

“It’s a lateral move,” my Dad told me.  “It makes no sense for her.”

Back in 2009, there was only one land transfer tax, and it had yet to be jacked up over and over and over each and every time the government needed more money, so I think it was only around $3,000.

The cost to sell her condo for $325,000 was about $18K.

So she spent $20,000 to move and the new place was marginally more than the first one.

But it was different.  Very different, in fact.

Her old condo was a 1-bed, 1-bath, measuring about 625 square feet.

Her new condo was a 2-bed, 2-bath, almost 900 square feet.

Not only that, the maintenance fees in her old condo were just about to skyrocket.  The building was well-managed, but it was aging, and there were major repairs on the horizon.  The fees for her old 625 square foot condo were $350 per month when she left in 2009, and are now over $750.

Selling a condo for $325,000 and buying one for $350,000 was a lateral move on price, but in the end, it worked out.  And her commute to work, living in the new condo, was less than five minutes, which was something she loved even more than she thought possible.

Here’s an example on the other side of the spectrum…

About six weeks ago, I was referred to a young couple who owned a waterfront condo and said they wanted to move.

They had paid about $400,000 for the condo years ago and it was now worth somewhere in the $600K range.

They told me that they were tired of the cold winters, the amount of renters and AirBnb’ers in the building, and wanted to be in King West.  Despite the fact that all the restaurants and nightlife was closed up (which is the main reason why people want to be in King West), and that most of the AirBnB’s in their building were now gone, they still wanted to move to King West.

They figured that their 1-bedroom, 1-bathroom condo was worth about $700,000, and I said that it wasn’t, but perhaps we’d come back to that after discussing where they wanted to go.

I was very surprised, however, when they told me what they wanted to spend in King West: $700,000.

I explained, “There are a couple of buildings where you can get really great value at that price.  Take 700 King Street West, for example.  For $700,000 you can get a 2-bed, 2-bath, and that would be huge upgrade from where you are now.”

“We don’t like that building,” they said.  “And we don’t really ‘need’ a second bedroom,” was the second reply.

I wasn’t hurt that they didn’t like my suggestion, but I was, however, confused on why they didn’t see the value in a second bedroom, given they were looking to make a lateral move on price at the $700,000 mark.

“We could make do with a 1-bedroom, 1-bathroom, maybe if there was a den or a separate space,” the young man said.

I had to ask: “Why would you want to sell one $700K condo to buy another $700K condo, and come out with the same space?”

They didn’t respond immediately.  I could feel them looking at one-another on the phone, perhaps wondering why I was asking.

“We just want to live somewhere else,” they said.

I explained that in order to pull this move off, they’d pay land transfer tax on the purchase, real estate fees on the sale, legal fees on both, not to mention moving fees, among others.

Then I got to the value of their condo, which I said was worth about $650,000.

“That’s not what another agent told us,” the young lady said

I replied, “Did that agent tell you just how bad the condo market is out there?” to which she said, he did not.

“There was a sale a few floors up for our model for $690,000 earlier this year,” she told me, referring to a February sale, which represents peak-price.

I explained that there were nine competing listings in their building and that they would have to list for $649,900 if they wanted to sell.  I then recommended that they try selling first, since there are no guarantees in this market, and I think that’s about the part where I lost them.

“We’re looking to buy immediately,” she said.  “We really want to get out there and go.”

This whole situation made zero sense to me, so I passed on the business.

I’m not suggesting that I can only work with people who heed my advice, but I do aim to work with people whom I can help.  There’s no helping these people.  Selling their $650,000 1-bed, 1-bath condo to move to a different $650,000, 1-bed, 1-bath condo makes zero sense, and that’s after they come to the realization that “other agents” selling them fool’s good on price isn’t going to help their end-game.  My job is to educate, advise, guide, and deliver results to people.  I don’t believe they were looking to make a smart move, and I’ll do what I can to help the client see that.  If they don’t agree, then I’m not the right agent for them.

I had a similar experience earlier this year when the pandemic was well underway.

A friend of an existing client called me and said, “I want to sell my condo,” but it was one of those situations where they actually wanted to buy somewhere else first.

They too were looking to sell a 1-bed, 1-bath condo for about $700,000 and buy elsewhere for the same price, but these guys were smart enough to know they needed something more.  They wanted more space.  They wanted a 2-bedroom condo, and thus the “lateral move” from a price perspective made more sense than the above example.

I pitched them location after location where they might actually be able to stretch their dollar to what they wanted in a condo, but it was to no avail.

A 2-bed, 2-bath on the Danforth?  Nope.  They weren’t interested.

A 2-bed, 2-bath in a non-prime area of Roncesvalles?  Nope.  Too far west.

I looked at location after location where they could sell their existing property and buy up, but they didn’t like any of the locations.  In fact, they eventually said, “We really like where we are now.”

This made no sense.

If a 1-bed, 1-bath in their building was worth $700,000, and they wanted to buy for $700,000, then it seemed to reason that they couldn’t expect to find a 2-bed, 2-bath in their building, in their price point, right?

It might sound logical to you or I, but they were pretty set on staying where they were.  They looked at other buildings in the area, but that wasn’t going to bear fruit, since they already lived in a value building.  All the other buildings were newer and more expensive.

They were looking to make a lateral move on price, a non-lateral move on product, but wanted the same location.  That equation just doesn’t work.

The bigger problem for these folks was that they were both self-employed and currently not working due to the pandemic, so there was no way they could qualify for a mortgage.

Suffice it to say, their search was halted not long after it began.

If you’re looking to sell your $1,200,000 loft in Queen West and purchase a 3-bed, 2-bath semi-detached house in Danforth Village for $1,200,000, that is not a lateral move.

If you’re looking to sell your $1,800,000, detached, 4-bed, 4-bath house in the Beaches and move to a $1,800,000, detached, 4-bed, 4-bath in Collingwood, then that is not a lateral move.

But it makes little sense to sell your 1A and purchase a 1B, and that’s exactly what a lot of folks in the city do.  I see it all the time.

Lateral moves solely based on price rarely, if ever, make sense, especially when you consider transaction costs.

And I’m not trying to upsell here.  This works both ways.

If the owner of a $4,000,000 house was looking to downsize and take out some equity, it’s easier said than done if that person isn’t looking to make sacrifices.

I saw a friend’s parents do this a while back and try to stay in the same neighbourhood.  They sold for $2,550,000, bought for $2,100,000, and spent over $200,000 to do it.  They went from a detached, 4-bed, on a 36-foot lot to detached, 4-bed, on a 29-foot lot, and it wasn’t long before they realized that the move made little sense.

I can think of many instances in life where I find the expression, “go big, or go home” to be incredibly annoying.

But with respect to avoiding costly lateral moves on price and product in the real estate market, perhaps it rings true…

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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25 Comments

  1. BillyO

    at 6:42 am

    One of your best blog posts in years, David. I’ve seen this type of idiocy from friends/co workers/acquaintances for years – lateral moves that really are a step back, if you think about it. Absolutely mind boggling. Don’t do this people!

  2. Francesca

    at 6:59 am

    I could see how a lateral move could be necessary if you changed jobs and your current house or condo is too far of a location from your new job. Also I could see it happening if you absolutely hate your neighbors or if you wanted your kids to be in a different school district. It’s true that lateral moves usually end up costing you money once transaction fees etc are factored in but sometimes as stupid as it may seem to others, people feel like they have no choice. We are planning on selling our large detached house in the burbs in the spring and moving into a condo in the Yonge and Shepard area so that my daughter can attend a specific high school next Acaademic year and to be closer to my ageing parents. We have set ourselves a certain budget to account for all the transaction fees so that after we sell we even have some money left over in equity. We kind of see it as a lateral move since we see it almost like breaking even but I guess it’s only a lateral move in price not in location of house type.

  3. J

    at 10:48 am

    Reading these stories of condo hoppers I can’t help but think about the number of *years* of rent that the transaction costs could buy. What a shame renting is for losers.

    1. Appraiser

      at 11:49 am

      I used to rent, when I was a loser.

      1. J

        at 12:22 pm

        The rooster crows before sunrise, therefore the rooster causes the sun to rise.

      2. Verbal Kint

        at 12:33 pm

        Knocked up a rich girl and lived grouchily ever after?

        1. Appraiser

          at 1:20 pm

          Well Verbal, once again since you asked so nicely.

          Spouse and I both had blue collar parents. Both paid our own way through Western. When we graduated we were losers, we had nothing but student debt.

          Got married. Rented a one-bedroom apartment. We had a son. Bought a townhouse. Sold it after one year and bought a detached. 8 years later bought a bigger detached…and 10+ years after that bought our current “forever home” backing on to a ravine in Caledon – where we’ve been for almost a decade.

          Along the way we’ve bought and sold multiple residential investment properties. We still own four.

          No longer a loser.

          1. Professional Shanker

            at 1:44 pm

            Is Keyser Soze an owner or a renter……

          2. Verbal Kint

            at 3:04 pm

            Your schtick on this board is to only quote the stuff that you think is positive for real estate prices, to ignore or dismiss as mere “anecdote” or worse anything which doesn’t support your narrative, and to deride as losers anyone you think less successful than yourself. Of course, people far more successful than you are labelled “incompetent” or “hair on fire” (e.g. Evan Siddall, various boldface Realtors and mortgage brokers).

            Of all the regular posters on this board, I find you the least likely to admit the merits of the other side of any argument, or to express any doubt whatsoever as to the future direction of things. You’re so one dimensional that I’ve occasionally wondered in jest whether you’re not a mere creation of David’s, to make him look more nuanced and balanced by comparison.

            Given that, I’ve gotta smile as I imagine the differences between the reality of your life and investments, and your descriptions thereof.

        2. Appraiser

          at 7:25 pm

          Thirty years of hard work and a good life partner can achieve reasonably modest accomplishments Verbie.

          Stop complaining. Start accomplishing.

          1. Bal

            at 8:16 pm

            We all work hard….partner or no partner.. I think making the right decisions at the right time is key of success….????

  4. Izzy Bedibida

    at 3:29 pm

    Been thinking about moving to a townhouse up the street from my current condo. Price points are similar, but after doing the math, the costs are not worth it.

  5. Marty

    at 7:14 pm

    Waterfront > > King West does not even seem like much a geography move. I mean if you want to go up to KW for dinner/drinks, what’s that, a $14 RETURN Uber ride (compared to your $125 dinner/drinks)?

    This was good column.

    1. Libertarian

      at 11:56 pm

      I’ve asked David before about this exact situation – Waterfront vs. King West. He said that there is way more demand for KW because it has the bars and restaurants. But it also has the drunks and traffic, so why not live close by to avoid the nonsense. I perceived much better value on the waterfront, so it’s better to live there.

  6. JL

    at 8:04 pm

    Interesting, I always thought of moves primarily in terms of factors other than price (e.g. getting more/less space or a better/worse location = moving “up” or “down”), with the price difference being the consequence (not the driver). As an example, moving from a small condo to a large property outside the city doesn’t quite seem “lateral” to me, even if the pricing can be similar. Moving from a 1+1 condo downtown to another 1+1 in a slightly different location does seem lateral, even if there is a pricing differential.

    1. Bal

      at 8:10 am

      What kinda recession is this where property prices are increasing so fast….i always thought recession mean low house prices….people are throwing money….giving way above asking…..builders and realtors and home owners are acting like they are God…lol, i don’t think this is sustainable…something seriously wrong….

      1. Professional Shanker

        at 10:16 am

        Actually makes perfect sense what it going on. It is a recession where people are forced to spend more time in their home, including for some working. Therefore it stands to reason demand would skyrocket for larger properties. The reallocation of resources to homes from other industries (travel, entertainment, clothes). How many 10s of thousands/yr were people spending on travel and dining?

        Will domestic employment rise is a key question as to whether this can be sustained, oh and gov’t ability to continue with their helicopter cash for all the groups unfortunately affected by COVID.

        Downtown condos are most certainty not rising in price, might go into freefall in 2021, could be an opportunity to buy but will one be catching a falling knife so to speak?

        1. Chris

          at 11:10 am

          I think there are a lot of factors at play, such as a flight to larger and more expensive homes, central bank suppression of interest rates, etc.

          But I believe the helicopter money has been one of the biggest components.

          “Generous government income support programs for households most affected by COVID-19 also made it easier to carry mortgage payments. Overall, Canadian households received more money ($56 billion) from government aid programs such as CERB and other transfers in the second quarter than they lost in wages and salaries due to the pandemic ($23 billion). On net, household disposable income spiked 11% in Canada. This substantially increased buyers’ purchasing power.”

          – RBC Economics

          https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/seven-ways-covid-19-is-affecting-canadian-housing/

          This is a recession in which every dollar of wages/salaries lost has been replaced by $2.44 of government support. Remains to be seen how sustainable this pace of federal spending is, as we continue into the second wave.

          1. Professional Shanker

            at 4:59 pm

            That is an interesting statistic – households are better off post covid. Seems hard for me to believe this at face value. Are people working in travel and entertainment making more on CERB than working – likely no but how can the gov’t account for undeclared wages.

            I think this is more to do about accounting buckets, etc. – classification. Did young adults receive a lot of CERB greater than their part time jobs, sure.

          2. Chris

            at 5:28 pm

            I also think this $56 billion dollar number vastly understates the extent of government stimulus. This seems to be the amount paid to households, but not to businesses; so would exclude, I believe, CEWS, CEBA, CECRA, etc.

            CEWS alone was estimated to cost $59.2-$67.9 billion, per the Parliamentary Budget Office. And this was only for the period from March to December, 2020. The government has now extended this program to June 2021.

            https://www.pbo-dpb.gc.ca/en/blog/legislative-costing-notes–notes-evaluation-cout-mesure-legislative/LEG-2021-035-S–canada-emergency-wage-subsidy-cews-40-week-program–subvention-salariale-urgence-canada-ssuc-programme-40-semaines

            While programs like CERB supported income by directly paying out to households, it seems likely that the unemployment rate and household incomes also appear rosier than would have otherwise been the case, as a result of CEWS and other programs focused on businesses.

            But once again, the big question becomes how sustainable are these programs and this level of spending?

      2. Appraiser

        at 12:00 pm

        Hey Bal,

        Before Covid-19 Canada was arguably at full employment. It was not dire fundamental economic conditions that caused this “recession.”

        What’s occurring now is an induced and controlled economic coma.

        During the pandemic the savings rate has soared and deleveraging has been of historic proportions. The myth that the majority of Canadians were living paycheck to paycheck was finally busted.

        As @Professional Shanker has alluded to, our almost embarrassing level of discretionary spending (vacations, eating out, impulse-buying, etc.) was clearly exposed. At least for most of the population.

        The lower end of the economic spectrum continues to be vulnerable and will hopefully also continue to receive financial support from the various levels of government until the health crisis is under control.

        As far as the current real real estate craze goes, the pandemic taught us that we we need food and shelter; but not necessarily restaurants, hotels, cruise ships or even haircuts. It has taught us the value of home.

        Speaking of which, LG just released his preliminary year over year GTA sales data from TRREB for October.

        Sales up +22%

        Average Prices up +14%

        Houses in City of Toronto now average $1.4 Million (up+9.4%)

        https://twitter.com/JohnPasalis/status/1323337175073722368

        1. Chris

          at 12:22 pm

          “But this doesn’t tell the whole story, things are moving in different direction depending on geography and house type.

          Single family houses in Durham Region continue to be the hottest segment of the market.
          Sales are up 43%
          Prices are up 21%
          There is 0.7 Months of Inventory

          Central Toronto condos on the other hand are the coolest segment of the market.
          Sales are down 6.1%
          Prices are down 0.7% yoy but down 11% from the peak in Feb/20
          4.75 Months of Inventory
          Active listings are up 240%”

          – John Pasalis

          As for the current craze, while you may think it’s a re-allocation of restaurant/vacation spending, seems far more likely to be impacted by suppressed interest rates and the $56 billion in government stimulus provided to Canadians.

          On a related note,

          “Housing market optimism ‘won’t last too long’ as economy will slow: CIBC’s Tal”

          https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/video/~2068377

          1. Bal

            at 7:35 pm

            USA election results are started to come

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