Monday Morning Quarterback: ‘That’ CBC Marketplace Episode

Opinion

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October 25, 2021

Is it merely assumed that real estate agents are going to have a problem with any piece of news portraying the real estate industry in an unflattering manner?

I don’t think it should be.

After all, every single blog post I write on TRB takes at least one or two shots at real estate agents or the industry in general.  I’ve been as open and honest about the state of the real estate industry since the day I started TRB in June of 2007, and it continues to get me into trouble.

But surely I’m not the only one.

I typically enjoy watching news stories or reading articles about the industry itself, or profiles of those in the industry, or new technologies, trends, or business practices.  I love working in this fast-paced, dynamic field, and I don’t turn off my real estate brain when I go home.

I’ll read or watch stories that I like and stories that I don’t.  I’ll agree with some and disagree with others.

But this latest CBC Marketplace show on “commission steering” was not very good.  And by not very good I mean it was actually terrible, but I don’t know if a real estate agent calling this piece “terrible” is going to be taken at face value because of the inherent bias.

Here’s the story:

“Real Estate Agents Caught On Hidden Camera Breaking The Law, Steering Buyers From Low-Commission Homes”

There’s a story in print on the CBC website but it was the television program Marketplace where the eyes really started to pop.

The video itself is called “REAL ESTATE SECRETS” and comes with the eye-catching phrase, “Hidden Camera Investigation.”

They did hide cameras, and they did find agents breaking the law and acting unethical.

But what else is new?

There are 62,000 real estate agents licensed by the Toronto Real Estate Board and I’ve gone on record many times by saying that at least half of them are complete garbage.

But what you didn’t know was that, two months ago, I received a phone call from a journalist (not with the CBC) who asked about “steering.”

My response?

“What’s steering?”

I honestly had no clue what she meant.

Commission steering,” she said.

I paused, thought about what that could mean, then asked, “You mean, like, agents all consistenly charging five percent on listings, or what?”

I really didn’t know what commission steering was.

“Commission steering is when a buyer agent steers his buyer clients away from a listing because they’re not offering enough commission,” she explained.

“That makes sense,” I told her.  Then I asked, “So is this the new buzz-word for the media?”

In the spring, it was “blind bidding.”  That was the phrase that proverbially sold newspapers.

But that’s old news!  Especially now that the election is over and the federal government won’t do anything about it, despite a well-timed election promise.

So what do we need now?  A new villain!  A new buzz-word!  A new way to get clicks, subscriptions, and attention!

I had never heard of “commission steering” until then, but I gave this journalist my off-the-record thoughts, as I always do.  I told her that I’m sure this happens all the time.

She was actually quite surprised to hear me say this, and I asked her why?  Why wouldn’t you expect that this happens?

Of the 62,000 real estate agents licensed by TREB, more than half of them don’t make enough money to live on.  The “average” real estate agent is worse at their job than ever before, and I say this as somebody who’s been selling real estate since 2004, so I have a leg to stand on here.  I see it every day.  I just received a text message that was a screen-shot of Google Translate; an agent speaking into her phone in another language, then sending me the translation to ask a question.

Easy target there, I know.  But that’s the freshest example because it happened four seconds ago as I’m writing this.  Explaining why and how real estate agents are worse than ever is a whole other topic.

But my point is this: bottom-feeding agents who do only a handful of transactions per year are going to look at the commission offered and make a decision about whether or not to “steer” their client from that house.  But the good agents?  The reputable ones?  They don’t care.  An agent doing 20, 40, or 100 transactions per year will get paid what he or she gets paid, and it will all even out in the end.  An agent who sees the value in his or her reputation, good standing, name, and ability to interact with colleagues in the industry and be well-respected is never going to jeopardize all of that to make a few extra bucks on one transaction.

So who is to blame for commission steering?

Buyers.

Yes, you read that right.

I blame buyers.

Because the buyers who employ these deadbeats are what keep these deadbeats in the industry.

You want to work with that discount, cash-back agent?  Or your wife’s cousin who works a 9-to-5 but sells real estate “on the side?”  Those are the agents who are going to be commission steering, simply because it makes or breaks their entire year.

You get what you pay for in this business.  You want a short-cut, a rebate, or your own delusional idea of a ‘leg-up,’ and you’re going to find one of the worst of those 62,000 agents, so don’t be surprised when they cut corners and look at how much they’re getting paid before they’re looking after your best interests.

If buyers didn’t use the services of the worst 25% of licensed realtors, then those realtors wouldn’t exist, and we wouldn’t be talking about commission steering.

So that’s part of what CBC Marketplace got wrong.

But where they went from debatably incorrect to downright tabloid sensation was by not fact-checking the star protagonist of their story.

Per the CBC Marketplace article in print:

When Joanne Petit and her husband, Frank, put their house up for sale this spring they decided to do it without a real estate agent. 

To save on some of these costs, Joanne decided to skip the listing agent and instead paid a $200 flat fee to a discount brokerage that listed her house on MLS but left the rest of the work to her.

“I know there have to be people like myself looking on MLS to buy a house … and [they would]  say to their agent, ‘I would like to see this house,'” she reasoned.

Joanne was still prepared to pay the real estate agents representing the buyer one per cent commission, which totalled nearly $15,000. After six weeks on the market, Joanne received zero calls from agents with interested buyers.

“They called a lot because they wanted us to sign with them, they wanted us to list with them, they wanted to be the selling agent,” said Joanne, who eventually asked one of those local agents why no buyers were interested. She says he informed her that her house had been, in the words of the agent, “blackballed.”

“Agents want to work with agents, and agents want their 2.5 per cent commission,” Joanne told Marketplace. “It’s not fair, and I think more people have to know about it.”

Easy, right?

The CBC concludes from this that the reason agents weren’t showing Joanne and Frank’s house was because they were “commission steering.”

But the CBC didn’t do their homework!

In fact, they didn’t really do anything but jump at this story, like a dog in heat, and rush to get it on television and on the web.

It’s sexy, right?

Another story about those scumbag real estate agents that are solely responsible for the rise in real estate prices in Canada!

When I spoke to that journalist two months ago, I pitched her another idea: that the government is responsible for real estate prices escalating, on account of municipal development charges, federal HST, and provincial and municipal land transfer tax, all of which combine to somewhere around 35% of the cost of a new home or condo.

But she didn’t bite.  She had her story on commission steering, although I never saw her name in any byline, so maybe the CBC beat her to it, or maybe she’s ready to piggyback this hidden camera expose!

The CBC wants viewers to see real estate agents in a negative light because of the allegation of commission steering.  But I’m going to give you several other reasons why Joanne & Frank’s house wasn’t getting showings.

Okay?

1) The property was very over-priced.

I mean, like, really, really over-priced!

Not just by a few dollars, or few hundreds-of-thousands, but rather by several million.

Wait.  What?

Several million?  Did you read that correctly?

Yes, you did.

Here’s the original list price:

Okay, okay, it’s a typo.

They accidentally listed the property for $14,750,000 instead of $1,475,000.

But whether this mistake was rectified in an hour or a week, it’s not exactly the best way to start, right?

2) The property was very over-priced, like, for real.

I mentioned that a lot of people emailed me last week about this CBC Marketplace story.

Would you believe that one agent did a full market analysis for it?

As I always say, “You can make numbers say anything you want,” so feel free to take this with a grain of salt if you please, or, run your own analysis of the property’s value in the spring of 2020.

But here are the properties that one of my industry colleagues chose for her CMA:

The average sale price of these eight properties was a mere $1,276,250.

To be fair, Frank & Joanne’s house at 12 Villandry Crescent was a 4-bedroom, and six of these eight listings are for 3-bedroom houses.  That’s fine, so we can add $50,000 – $75,000 to those sale prices for that 4th bedroom.

But the lot width at 12 Villandry Crescent was only 30-feet.  “Frontage” has a huge impact on property value, especially in areas like Maple where the square footage and layout of the home greatly depend on lot with.  With an average of 34.3 feet, and at $10,000 per front foot, the subject property would be worth, on average, $43,000 less than these comparables.

We can play this game all day long, if we’d like.

Or, we can simply look at the eight properties, realize that the highest sale from February of 2020 was $1,428,000, and conclude that perhaps the $1,475,000 that 12 Villandry Crescent was listed for was exceptionally high.

Did Frank & Joanne have the best house in the area?  The best by far?

Unlikely.

It’s far more likely, as is almost always the case with for-sale-by-owners, that they have no clue what their house is worth.

 

3) The market was sporadic.

The local market was quite softer than it seemed, and not nearly as hot as the CBC Marketplace story made it out to be.

It’s true that 58 other two-storey homes sold in Maple over the 90 days that Joanne & Frank’s house was up for sale but few of these went smoothly.

There were sixteen failed offer nights.  That’s when a house is listed, presumably low, with an “offer date,” and not enough interest materializes, so the house doesn’t sell and is re-listed.

There were twelve price reductions.

There were ten conditional sales.

Overall, 28 of the 58 sellers sold below the list price.

So the market in Maple wasn’t quite as mad as CBC Marketplace would have us believe.

The 14-day mark is a crucial divide in Maple, Ontario.

As this chart will show, after two weeks on the market, every single sale was below the list price.  And the longer a home was on the market, the bigger the need to discount:

Joanne & Frank’s house was the one exception.

Unlike almost every other seller in their situation, they refused to lower their list price and instead held out for “the right buyer” who was willing to give them most of what they wanted for the home.

They also agreed to a very long closing date of nearly 2 1/2 months, which meant they were formally involved in the sale process for 169 days.  That’s a pretty risky move in a market that seemed to be softening.

A real estate agent understands not just “the market” in general but also the local market.  It’s clear that Frank & Joanne are far from experts in this regard, but when a know-it-all

4) The listing was half-complete.

There are a lot of aspects of a listing that really sell that listing.  I know this to be a fact, on account of how I list and sell my properties.

Whether it’s big-ticket items like staging a home, or moving the sellers out to provide unfettered access during the listing period, or whether it’s the small, seemingly innocuous elements like the MLS “write up,” I know all these factors combined, matter.

Joanne & Frank’s decision to tackle the listing on their own meant that they missed out on things like room measurements and descriptions on the MLS listing, for one.

Here is an image that shows, at the top, how Frank & Joanne had no room measurements or descriptions, compared to a competing listing:

You might think this doesn’t matter, but it does.  Everything matters when you’re listing real estate and expect top dollar in this market.

5) The listing was inaccurate.

The 2021 listing for the home noted the house was “2000-2500” square feet.

The 2010 listing for the home noted the house was “2500-3000” square feet.

Did the house shrink?  Or did Joanne & Frank make a mistake?  And what’s the going rate for a mistake that’s equal to about 20-25% of the house value?

The 2021 listing for the home noted a one-car garage.

The 2010 listing for the home noted a two-car garage.

Did they add a room where their garage was?  Or did they just eff this up?

In a vacuum, one of these examples might not matter.  But all together, along with everything else on this list, Joanne & Frank just didn’t do a good job attempting to sell their home for 110% of anything resembling fair market value.

6) There was no marketing.

I’ve been told sometimes that I’m inflexible.

I was told this as recently as today!  And when I refused to consider the possibility, the person I was speaking to used this against me – to say that I was inflexible!

Well, damn.

When it comes to my listings, I have a proven method and process.  I never stray from that process.  Ever.

I want my clients to renovate and repair, first and foremost.  Lately, we’ve been doing our pre-inspections well in advance and then looking for items in the report to rectify.  We paint where needed, we clean the house upside-down, and we look for any objections a buyer might have, and then address it.  I tell my clients from the get-go, “You’re likely going to remove 70% of everything that’s in this house, whether that’s packing up boxes, or me moving your furniture to a storage locker so we can stage.”  They often think I’m joking!  But ask any of my recent clients, and they’ll set you straight.  Then I tell them, “You won’t be living here while the property is for sale,” since we need unfettered access for buyers and a property that’s so clean the team from C.S.I. couldn’t find a single hair or fingerprint!  After we’ve repaired, painted, cleaned, decluttered, packed/moved, and cleaned again, we stage the property, take photos with the best photographer that I know, and then spend a week getting our marketing ready.

Joanne & Frank didn’t do any of this.

They just looked at the market and arrogantly decided that they’d throw their house up on MLS at 110% of what it’s worth, then sit back, and wave with both hands saying, “Come to mamma.”

Joanne & Frank didn’t lift a finger.

 

 

7) The sellers did not offer to pay buyer agents.

Here’s the truth, folks.  And I saved this for last because the first six points on their own are enough to show you why Joanne & Frank didn’t have any luck selling their house, but now that we’re here, can we please talk rationally and logically about the concept of working for free?

Joanne & Frank said, in the CBC Marketplace piece, that they offered to pay agents 1% commission.

That was never conveyed to agents.

Never.

There is no debating this.

With these discount firms, you usually see a commission stated on the MLS along with the fact that the listing brokerage only pays $1.00 or often one penny.

Here’s an example:

Easy, right?

Whether the seller is paying 1%, 2%, or 2.5%, it’s noted.  It’s also noted that the listing brokerage is only responsible for $0.01.

The problem that Joanne & Frank had was that they weren’t going to pay agents.

And on its own, this is still an issue.  Legally speaking, if there’s a property that meets the criteria of an agent’s buyer, that agent must show the property to his or her client, regardless of commission.  However, back on planet earth, and away from the people who despise real estate agents so much that they think they’re going to work for free, we can all agree that about 80% of agents out there will not work for free, and won’t show this listing.  The other 20% will figure a way around this.

In any event, Joanne & Frank never offered to pay agents.

It’s here in their listing, clear as day:

They offered to pay $0.01.

And in the space where they could have further explained that they were going to pay 1%, they simply reiterated that they would pay $0.01.

Those of you that simply hate all this talk about real estate agents and the money they make will argue, “It’s naive to think that a seller wouldn’t pay an agent.  That’s ridiculous.  Agents should have assumed that they were going to get paid.”

Really?

What’s that famous movie quote about assumptions from Under Siege 2: Dark Territory?

Dang.  I tried to embed the clip from YouTube, but it’s got bad language and is blocked.  Alright, well, the quote is also in Lock, Stock, And Two Smoking Barrels.

There’s no assuming here, nor should there be.

Joanne & Frank simply screwed up.  Their entire listing is riddled with problems, and it’s quite ironic that in the image above, when we’re talking about a $0.01 commission, you can see that this damn property was listed for $14.75 Million!

They told the CBC in that interview that they advertised a 1% commission when they did not.  And the CBC didn’t fact-check this.  Pathetic.

This is simply “The Magnificent Seven” of issues.

Collectively, I have no idea how the CBC could have got this story wrong.  They wanted so badly to trash real estate agents that they were like a fish biting on a hook without a worm.

It’s sad, really.

If the CBC wants a story about crappy agents, they could have called me!  I have so many!

Instead, they invented this story.

It’s quite telling that they could only find one example of a seller who felt agents were steering buyers away from their property.  One.

You would think that if this was really going to be a story, an editor or producer somewhere at the CBC would say, “Okay, go find another example of this.  Find us a couple of other sellers who can go on camera.”

But no.  Just one.

So we’ve got do-it-yourself sellers who put zero effort into their home, drastically over-price, advertise that they won’t pay cooperating agents, produce a listing with inaccuracies and errors, accidentally list the property for $14.75 Million, and who completely misread and didn’t attempt to understand the market.

And these sellers, along with the CBC, decide that buyer agents are to blame.

Sigh.

Wake me up the tabloid sensations are behind us and we can actually read news again…

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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32 Comments

  1. David

    at 7:49 am

    No surprise that the CBC was hesitant to write a story about the government and how fees/taxes were acting a barrier to home ownership…would you bite the hand that feeds you billions of dollars?

  2. Tony

    at 8:16 am

    CBC Marketplace’s inaccuracies aren’t merely limited to this real estate story. Most of what they produce is one-sided. Once they’ve got their conclusion they just go with it.

  3. Appraiser

    at 9:17 am

    Also no mention of whether or not the CBC pretend buyers signed a buyer representation agreement with any of the real estate agents involved.

    Notwithstanding all of the other errors and omissions in this terrible and amateurish hit-piece from the CBC, without a contract, what fiduciary and / or legal duties were supposedly broken?

  4. Jenny

    at 9:42 am

    Hi! I am an agent that actually went to one of your listings. This article was the most satisfying thing to read today. Thanks so much for some amazing talking points and clapping back at CBC.

  5. Ed

    at 10:02 am

    According to housesigma it sold for $1,467,000. Was it priced right then?

    1. Libertarian

      at 10:39 am

      I sort of wondered the same thing. I know David said the Maple market is soft, but if something similar sold for $1.428 and the media (and cheerleaders on this blog) are always saying the price of real estate only goes up, then why was $1.475 so egregious? Instead of under listing to have an offer night, they over listed to see if anyone would bite.

      My problem with the sellers is not that strategy, but rather complaining it was guaranteed to work.

      1. Jennifer

        at 12:45 pm

        And they saved 4-5% (about $70,000) and staging fees. maybe they won in the end? we will never know.

        in such a hot market, there is no reason why agents are relied on so heavily. Oh wait, it is because they control the market and bash on anything that is “discount” or similar saying they are incompetent. There will always be those that want to use an agent and pay full and that’s great and there is value there for them, but there should be a marketplace for those who want to transact differently. And as prices have increased dramatically, the fees should be lowered. It was ok for agents to earn less a few years ago, but today with almost the same amount of work they put in they are earning double or triple? why? Then we wonder why there are so many agents in the city – they can sell two houses and earn enough for the year.

  6. Condodweller

    at 11:04 am

    Whoever created the current compensation scheme for RE agents was a genius. Using a relative compensation scheme of a % of the sale price is an automatic pay increase as prices rise without having to actually raise prices. While buyers’ biggest concern has been the well-documented shortage of homes, out of control prices plus all the issues surrounding the buying process, the biggest concern for sellers is the ever-increasing cost of selling their home.

    There hasn’t been much discussion about this because who has sympathy for someone with a million dollar tax free gain on their home who has to pay say a $75,000 commission to realize that gain. To add insult to injury, you then have to pay HST on that which is almost $10,000!

    The earliest date for the 5% commission I can find is from the 70’s when houses were around $50,000. Do the math on that and compare it to today.

    While successful lawsuits have allowed discount listings on MLS, it remains exceedingly difficult to do anything about the buyer’s agent’s fee which in itself has ballooned to unrealistic levels. This is due to the fact that even if you are able to find a buyer without an agent the listing agent will swoop in to scoop up the 2.5% buyer’s commission.

    In this case the seller is trying to save money on the sale, which is perfectly reasonable and understandable considering the fees involved. Perhaps they didn’t do it optimally but that’s ok. Considering all the problems David has highlighted with licensed agents they didn’t do too badly it seems. They got the price they wanted and saved a bunch of $$.

    1. Libertarian

      at 11:42 am

      It’s an interesting question – if a new compensation system was implemented for real estate, would more people put their houses up for sale?

      David is always talking about limited supply, so we need to build more. But isn’t limited supply caused by people not selling? If less and less people sell their houses going forward, then the complaints from buyers will continue.

      1. Condodweller

        at 1:11 pm

        It might help with the supply side but unfortunately, the land transfer tax and mortgage insurance if also required are also a huge disincentive to move.

      2. Mxyzptlk

        at 9:56 am

        “But isn’t limited supply caused by people not selling?”

        How would more people selling increase supply? Where are all these sellers supposed to live after they sell? Are they supposed to leave the GTA so that new arrivals have somewhere to live? This argument that current homeowners not selling is somehow “reducing supply” has never made any sense to me.

        1. Libertarian

          at 10:36 am

          I was referring to the property ladder and how the industry needs (or has had in the past) people moving up and down. A widow/widowed senior living in a 4-bedroom house is overkill. He/she could move to a condo or a retirement home, whatever. Then a family could could move up the ladder by buying that house. Then a young couple buys the family’s house, etc.

          I realize the net amount of houses remains the same, but there are more to choose from at any given time, which reduces scarcity, which reduces the desperation to buy at any price.

          1. Murasaki

            at 11:49 am

            How many people, let alone seniors, are living alone in four-bedroom houses? You don’t know (or apparently care). I guess you’re just “trying to make a point” or something. Hyperbole accomplishes nothing.

          2. Libertarian

            at 11:57 am

            It would appear that you’re part of the Appraiser and Kyle club of insulting people who have a different opinion than yours. Aren’t we all so lucky to have you on board!

          3. Murasaki

            at 12:34 pm

            Sorry for the sarcasm. It just seems to me that what you’re describing is little more than a game of musical chairs. The Ontario government expects the population of the GTA to increase by 2.9 million people in the next 25 years. Building more housing (and I’m not saying I can answer the question “where?”) is the only solution I can see.

            http://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-population-projections

          4. Libertarian

            at 3:01 pm

            I agree that the population of southern Ontario is going to continue to increase and housing will have to be built. I also agree that nobody knows where those houses will be built. To me, that’s a separate issue than incentivizing people to sell.

            One thing I do know is that they won’t be built in Toronto proper. Condos and townhouses, yes, but not detached and semi-detached. Heck, we may even lose detached and semis. David has talked about helping developers buy neighbouring houses so a condo could be built.

            So I’m curious about whether listings will continue to go down in Toronto proper and what the reaction to that will be.

          5. Appraiser

            at 3:47 pm

            I will admit that after a decade and a half of listening to the perma-bears, the anti-realtites (TM), the fear-mongers and the amateurs with real strong opinions – but very little knowledge or insight; it does get a little tiresome.

          6. Steve

            at 12:19 pm

            Muraski it seems like you are falling into the classic trap of assuming there is one true solution to the growing crunch on housing. The reality is it’s a complex issue which will require multi-faceted solutions and building more is only one piece of the puzzle. Using existing supply more effectively (whether as it exists or my turning it into something denser) and removing some of the perverse incentives that are actually making the problem worse (which the government is actually leaning into) are just as important pieces.

          7. Perpetually Agitated

            at 9:15 am

            If you became a widow/ widower at one point, would you want someone telling you that living where you are living is “overkill”? At some point, these people will decide to move but not for your benefit.

    2. J

      at 2:40 pm

      More evidence that they’re a genius lies in the way the commission is structured, with it being paid entirely by the seller and evenly divided 2.5%/2.5% between the selling/co-op agents. This structure renders any negotiation on commission much more difficult. Sellers aren’t likely to want to offer a lower co-op commission because of the chances of buyers being pushed away, even if it’s a small chance. That leaves the seller agent’s portion, but it doesn’t make too much sense for it to be significantly reduced either. The seller agent usually needs to put in more effort and has higher out-of-pocket expenses for their side of the transaction. Negotiating down the seller agent’s portion by say 1% would ravage their net take home amount, yet at the same time not even have that great an impact on the overall commission paid by the seller.

      Now imagine a world where instead of a standard 2.5%/2.5% split, a 3%/2% or 4%/1% split were used. First, I think this would make the compensation between selling/buying agents more in line with the actual effort and out-of-pocket expenses required by each agent (without changing the total standard commission). Second, the seller would have more room to negotiate while still maintaining the standard co-op commission. This is not to suggest this change should be or could be implemented tomorrow, but rather to illustrate my thoughts on why things might be the way they are.

      1. Condodweller

        at 4:31 pm

        Who deserves what portion of the commission is another issue and is highly dependent on the market. Since this is Toronto realty blog, in a hot market like this any idiot with two brain cells to rub together can sell a house. It’s easier to save the selling commission than the buyer’s if you want agents to bring you offers. When I sold my place myself I saved about 85% of the seller commission and I know I didn’t do ~$12,000 worth of work. When I sold my first place there were FSBO websites where you supposedly buyers could shop for places but why would anyone do that if their agent is “free”? The websites had full instructions on how to sell your place for anyone who doesn’t think they couldo it. Similar to all the ideas David has written about were available in one place.

        In order to save on the buy side you have to wait long enough for someone without an agent to come along or someone who is willing to pay for their own agent. I mean how many people would pay their agent $35,000 to buy a place out of pocket? If you answer no one in their right mind, then using the same logic why would you pay that when it’s your turn when it’s time to sell?

        The irony is that in our market the buyer agent deserves more of the split since he/she can show houses all year long and not make a dime where the listing agent is always guaranteed to earn a commission as long as the place sells. My point was that the pie is too expensive to begin with.

        5% on a $50k house in the 70’s would have been $2500 which using 3% inflation for say 45 years it’s still less than $10k today. Even if we use 5% for inflation since we had some high inflation years it would only be about $22000.

        1. David

          at 6:13 pm

          CD, did you offer full 2.5% commission to the buyer agent when you sold privately?

          1. Condodweller

            at 5:15 pm

            I actually never sold privately. First time I tried but ended up going with an agent as nobody was willing to buy without an agent. I made a mistake that time because I could have got away with only paying the buyer agent considering I had no problems listing it privately. Live and learn. Fortunately, the amount was small back then. Next time discount options were available to list on MLS which is what I did, and yes I did offer the full 2.5%. But the $ value was still much lower than today (over 10 years ago). If I had to sell today, I would not offer the full 2.5% as it’s way too much.

      2. Sirgruper

        at 12:11 am

        Not strange that an agent with act for the buy at 2.5% and list with their portion at 1 -2 present. Further on higher cost homes 2.5 % for the listing agent is not necessary.

        As for the CBC program, it was embarrassing and hard to watch if you know anything about real estate. Guess it was good for ratings at least.

  7. Kyle

    at 4:05 pm

    These day’s how many buyer clients are only seeing properties that their Agent curates for them? Most buyers are on an automated script that blasts out all new listings in a given area and within a certain price range each day, irrespective of cooperating commission.

    If there truly was an interested buyer who received it in one of their Stratus reports i suspect it would be very difficult for an Agent to “steer” them away, without having an awkward conversation about their commission or outright lying to their client.

    1. Perpetually Agitated

      at 9:21 am

      Kyle, most residential homes whether listed by a full-service or discount brokerage all end up on realtor.ca. There is very little chance a buyer would miss a home being offered for sale in any given area.

  8. CR

    at 9:09 pm

    They did end up selling the house for 1.467 in July 2021 though

    1. Appraiser

      at 3:30 pm

      A most salient point, apparently lost on some.

      1. Sirgruper

        at 12:15 am

        Appraiser. Don’t want you to work pro Bono but what would have your set the value at and to you agree with David’s lot and bedroom plus minus calculations.

        By the way, so hard to find a commercial property appraiser that can give appraisals in a timely manner. You guys are swamped.

  9. Lindsay Smith

    at 9:34 am

    A point worth pondering is if a person buys privately and something goes sideways they are on their own to litigate with the seller… using a Real Estate agent means you are using a service that carries insurance.

  10. Lemmy Bumkeister

    at 6:21 am

    Too long, didn’t read. As soon as you started dog whistling about “buzzwords” I checked out. You admit that commission steering is a thing, but giving it a name is just “buzzwords” to “sell papers”? Yeah, right. Your real estate grift is annoying. Do better.

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